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		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://sodsbrood.com/pilgrim/2007/05/07/offensive-driving/comment-page-1#comment-54012</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 19:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a note on the speeding--Step, you're right. It's mass law-breaking. And perhaps the slow driver thing is rationalization. But claiming that one was right because they believe they were on the right side of the law does little good in a wreck. Well, it does wonders to determine fault. Which might matter little if one is hurt.

It's hard to argue that fast lane-changes or mass fast slowdowns are safe on an interstate. The human eye and brain can only register and react in so much time. And we're talking everyone slowing down for one guy, not one asshole going way faster than traffic and being a dick.

But Step, you're in the right-hand lanes, so it's all good. And I'm not saying you shouldn't follow your conscience. Just as you're not telling anyone else how to drive. I'm just saying there is some validity to the argument of the slow driver in the way of the speeders.

As much as it's worth, I think it's California &lt;a href="http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=veh&#38;group=21001-22000&#38;file=21650-21664" rel="nofollow"&gt; law&lt;/a&gt; to keep up with the flow of traffic or move to the right, which is something you noted. (The slow driver, not the speeders, will be found in violation of the law if they don't get out of the way of traffic in this state and in some others, including &lt;a href="http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/022006/02092006/166829" rel="nofollow"&gt;Virginia,&lt;/a&gt; Matt, as well. :) But not Georgia. That only works up to the speed limit.)  For another, I like to get the eff across the state, so I barge down the far left lane. Yeah, I'm a speeder. :) I don't deny I like life at 75. Most of the time everybody else does, too, so it's all good. When they don't I slow down. Because I like life in the left lane, overtaking slower traffic, I find it's safer to not disrupt the flow of traffic. How does one know that the person behind them will see them in time to get out of the way? 

With how people drive out here, that thought scares the daylights out of me. I'd rather not find out. Either go their speed or get out of the way.

People are crazy on the roads -- I think we'd all agree to that. Personally, I'd rather be alive than right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note on the speeding&#8211;Step, you&#8217;re right. It&#8217;s mass law-breaking. And perhaps the slow driver thing is rationalization. But claiming that one was right because they believe they were on the right side of the law does little good in a wreck. Well, it does wonders to determine fault. Which might matter little if one is hurt.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to argue that fast lane-changes or mass fast slowdowns are safe on an interstate. The human eye and brain can only register and react in so much time. And we&#8217;re talking everyone slowing down for one guy, not one asshole going way faster than traffic and being a dick.</p>
<p>But Step, you&#8217;re in the right-hand lanes, so it&#8217;s all good. And I&#8217;m not saying you shouldn&#8217;t follow your conscience. Just as you&#8217;re not telling anyone else how to drive. I&#8217;m just saying there is some validity to the argument of the slow driver in the way of the speeders.</p>
<p>As much as it&#8217;s worth, I think it&#8217;s California <a href="http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=veh&amp;group=21001-22000&amp;file=21650-21664" rel="nofollow"> law</a> to keep up with the flow of traffic or move to the right, which is something you noted. (The slow driver, not the speeders, will be found in violation of the law if they don&#8217;t get out of the way of traffic in this state and in some others, including <a href="http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/022006/02092006/166829" rel="nofollow">Virginia,</a> Matt, as well. <img src='http://sodsbrood.com/pilgrim/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> But not Georgia. That only works up to the speed limit.)  For another, I like to get the eff across the state, so I barge down the far left lane. Yeah, I&#8217;m a speeder. <img src='http://sodsbrood.com/pilgrim/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> I don&#8217;t deny I like life at 75. Most of the time everybody else does, too, so it&#8217;s all good. When they don&#8217;t I slow down. Because I like life in the left lane, overtaking slower traffic, I find it&#8217;s safer to not disrupt the flow of traffic. How does one know that the person behind them will see them in time to get out of the way? </p>
<p>With how people drive out here, that thought scares the daylights out of me. I&#8217;d rather not find out. Either go their speed or get out of the way.</p>
<p>People are crazy on the roads &#8212; I think we&#8217;d all agree to that. Personally, I&#8217;d rather be alive than right.</p>
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		<title>By: greypilgrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>greypilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 12:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having visited Paris a couple times, I believe you about Rome.  Europeans are nuts.  I've never been in a city like Paris, where people just park their ultra-compact cars haphazardly on the sidewalk at night and drive 80 down a one-lane, cobblestone alley.  Our drive to and from DeGaulle in the hotel shuttle was always breathtakingly harrowing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having visited Paris a couple times, I believe you about Rome.  Europeans are nuts.  I&#8217;ve never been in a city like Paris, where people just park their ultra-compact cars haphazardly on the sidewalk at night and drive 80 down a one-lane, cobblestone alley.  Our drive to and from DeGaulle in the hotel shuttle was always breathtakingly harrowing.</p>
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		<title>By: Step</title>
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		<dc:creator>Step</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 19:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:)  I've been on the road with worse than you.  Myself included.  :P  

Try driving in Rome, Italy - now there's a city I would refuse to drive in!!  They say you can consider it a good day if you make it back home with no "fender benders".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://sodsbrood.com/pilgrim/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;ve been on the road with worse than you.  Myself included.  <img src='http://sodsbrood.com/pilgrim/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Try driving in Rome, Italy - now there&#8217;s a city I would refuse to drive in!!  They say you can consider it a good day if you make it back home with no &#8220;fender benders&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: greypilgrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>greypilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 19:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right.  The "slow drivers are a hazard" argument is probably a rationalization for bad behavior.

However, I have a clear memory of my Driver's Ed. teacher standing up there in front of class and tell us that we should drive the speed of the traffic around us.  If traffic is going 70, then we should make an effort to keep up, for the safety of everyone.  He even said that if you are driving too slowly in heavy, fast-moving traffic, the police may pull you over for reckless driving.

Now, maybe he had no idea what he was talking about.  Maybe he bought into the rationalizations all of us have formulated to justify our speeding.  I debate this with my wife, too (she says he is full of shit).

I am just repeating what I recall being told in driver's ed.

Incidentally, my driver's ed. teacher also taught us that it is the responsibility of the person getting on interstate to yield, not the other way around.

I debate this with my wife, too, because she gets mad at me when I don't move over for someone getting on interstate.

I say, "They have to yield!  Not me!  My driver's ed. teacher told me so!"

My wife says, "It's just common courtesy to move over.  it won't kill you, will it?"

Yeah, I've probably got an aggression problem, behind the wheel.  Now, none of you probably want to drive the same roads as me, do you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right.  The &#8220;slow drivers are a hazard&#8221; argument is probably a rationalization for bad behavior.</p>
<p>However, I have a clear memory of my Driver&#8217;s Ed. teacher standing up there in front of class and tell us that we should drive the speed of the traffic around us.  If traffic is going 70, then we should make an effort to keep up, for the safety of everyone.  He even said that if you are driving too slowly in heavy, fast-moving traffic, the police may pull you over for reckless driving.</p>
<p>Now, maybe he had no idea what he was talking about.  Maybe he bought into the rationalizations all of us have formulated to justify our speeding.  I debate this with my wife, too (she says he is full of shit).</p>
<p>I am just repeating what I recall being told in driver&#8217;s ed.</p>
<p>Incidentally, my driver&#8217;s ed. teacher also taught us that it is the responsibility of the person getting on interstate to yield, not the other way around.</p>
<p>I debate this with my wife, too, because she gets mad at me when I don&#8217;t move over for someone getting on interstate.</p>
<p>I say, &#8220;They have to yield!  Not me!  My driver&#8217;s ed. teacher told me so!&#8221;</p>
<p>My wife says, &#8220;It&#8217;s just common courtesy to move over.  it won&#8217;t kill you, will it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, I&#8217;ve probably got an aggression problem, behind the wheel.  Now, none of you probably want to drive the same roads as me, do you?</p>
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		<title>By: Step</title>
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		<dc:creator>Step</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 01:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will note, since my original posts didn't mention it, that I am pretty much always in the right-most lane that is appropriate.  Another words, during situations such as highway merges and splits, sometimes I end up in the fast lane of one highway for a short period on my way to the other highway's slow lane.

As far as the "drivers going the speed limit are dangerous and disrupting the flow of traffic" argument, I still maintain that argument is mostly BS.  Sure, there are edge cases where that driver truly does cause a dangerous situation and risk of serious accidents, but MOST of the time the danger is really caused by the irresponsible or angry driver behind / around that person.  

Look, I've been on both sides of it - I rationalized speeding for years, right up until I realized that I was never going to run out of excuses, and decided to stop speeding.  It's illegal, and that just was no longer personally acceptable to me to be part of widespread societal law-breaking as a normal part of life.  I'm not telling anyone else what they have to do, I just personally found the situation untenable.  

I will note, though, that if I am travelling at 65 (or 55, or whatever the speedlimit is), I DO NOT accept responsibility for the people coming up behind me at 70, 80, or 90 MPH.  Unless the law allows that, all it really is is mass law-breaking with the bet that if enough of us do it, they won't be able to stop us - the same principle as mob rule when shop windows get broken, people get trampled, and chaos rules.  I'm personally not an anarchist.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will note, since my original posts didn&#8217;t mention it, that I am pretty much always in the right-most lane that is appropriate.  Another words, during situations such as highway merges and splits, sometimes I end up in the fast lane of one highway for a short period on my way to the other highway&#8217;s slow lane.</p>
<p>As far as the &#8220;drivers going the speed limit are dangerous and disrupting the flow of traffic&#8221; argument, I still maintain that argument is mostly BS.  Sure, there are edge cases where that driver truly does cause a dangerous situation and risk of serious accidents, but MOST of the time the danger is really caused by the irresponsible or angry driver behind / around that person.  </p>
<p>Look, I&#8217;ve been on both sides of it - I rationalized speeding for years, right up until I realized that I was never going to run out of excuses, and decided to stop speeding.  It&#8217;s illegal, and that just was no longer personally acceptable to me to be part of widespread societal law-breaking as a normal part of life.  I&#8217;m not telling anyone else what they have to do, I just personally found the situation untenable.  </p>
<p>I will note, though, that if I am travelling at 65 (or 55, or whatever the speedlimit is), I DO NOT accept responsibility for the people coming up behind me at 70, 80, or 90 MPH.  Unless the law allows that, all it really is is mass law-breaking with the bet that if enough of us do it, they won&#8217;t be able to stop us - the same principle as mob rule when shop windows get broken, people get trampled, and chaos rules.  I&#8217;m personally not an anarchist.  <img src='http://sodsbrood.com/pilgrim/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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